From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to change naming format to allow package-prefix/function-name Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:32:39 -0500 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: References: Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="242771"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 02 19:33:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1in5HL-0010yk-Ue for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:33:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44556 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1in5HK-0002nO-9M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:33:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1in5H9-0002n8-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:32:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1in5H8-0002zT-1L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:32:51 -0500 Original-Received: from blaine.gmane.org ([195.159.176.226]:60550) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1in5H7-0002yL-R4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:32:49 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1in5H5-0010gF-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:32:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Cancel-Lock: sha1:X+45HwZT+RRkVMy5Kw4e4IemPkg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243874 Archived-At: > * Richard Stallman [2019-12-30 19:45:34 -0500]: > > In Common Lisp, name spaces do not behave cleanly. The reason is that > a symbol's name space has to be recognized when it is read, for the > sake of symbols compared with eq. This is too early to make good choices. Could you please elaborate? If you are referring to the need to wrap `require` in `eval-when`, then CLISP dealt with it by handling `require` specially in compiler, so that --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (require 'foo) (foo:define-foo ...) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- works just fine. https://clisp.sourceforge.io/impnotes/require.html > To get clean behavior for name spaces, it is necessary to be able to > choose a symbol's name space based on the execution context when code > is run. Some languages do that, and name spaces are simple and clear > in those languages. Again, could you please clarify what you mean here? Thanks. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://camera.org https://jij.org http://islamexposedonline.com I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!