From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename "window" to "pane" (after Emacs 27) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:59:49 -0400 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: References: <878sjgbbot.fsf@oitofelix.com> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="1697"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:eI48rCezKsAI8ZTIQd72LVkna8c= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 03 20:07:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jKQic-0000KU-0C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2020 20:07:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59318 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jKQib-0006tz-1m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2020 14:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jKQbl-0000GK-LH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jKQbk-0008T2-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:41584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jKQbj-0008NJ-S7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:59:56 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jKQbh-000PXX-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2020 19:59:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 159.69.161.202 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:246347 Archived-At: > * Drew Adams [2020-04-01 07:56:31 -0700]: > >> > I have nothing in principle against renaming "window" to "pane", but >> > it would be a big transient. Before doing that, I think we should >> > poll the users to see what they think about it. >> >> How would we go about polling the users? >> >> This is indeed a big undertaking, seeing as there is 50.000+ instances >> of "window" in the tree to consider. I have made a few false starts, >> but it's hard to decide the best way to start with such a big task. >> I'm currently bogged down with real world commitments and dropped the >> ball a bit here, but if there is interest I might be able to take >> another stab at it when things clear up. > > IMHO (one user), not worth it. And not really needed. +1 > And would we then rename "frame" to "window", which > would engender further confusion, especially wrt > older versions and all of the existing Emacs > collateral outside Emacs proper? Exactly! So it will take us 2-3 releases to rename "window" to "pane" and then another 2-3 releases to rename "frame" to "window". Thus, 10 years from now we will be in compliance with the common terminology introduced in 1990-ies. By then it is quite possible that the whole "window manager" paradigm will be obsolete as more and more computing is done on mobile devices with full-screen-only windows, where the current Emacs terminology makes more sense. So... how much effort are we willing to expend on this cosmetic change? Don't we have something better to do with our time? -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1671 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://jihadwatch.org https://www.dhimmitude.org https://jij.org Never argue with the person who is preparing your parachute.