From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: displaying 8bit characters octal sequences Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:45:47 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <16745.47326.410973.405187@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <16745.49453.600094.942187@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <16746.39051.648788.798698@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097505976 26402 80.91.229.6 (11 Oct 2004 14:46:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 11 16:46:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CH1R4-00042b-00 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:46:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CH1Y1-0000R4-45 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CH1Xq-0000Qh-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CH1Xp-0000QE-A4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CH1Xp-0000Px-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [206.47.199.164] (helo=simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH1Qm-0006ks-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:45:44 -0400 Original-Received: from empanada.home ([70.48.80.6]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20041011144523.QJIQ1635.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@empanada.home>; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:45:23 -0400 Original-Received: by empanada.home (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6C0BD3186D9; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Roland Winkler In-Reply-To: <16746.39051.648788.798698@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> (Roland Winkler's message of "Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:28:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28232 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28232 > Stefan, thanks a lot, though I am still not sure I understand > correctly what you say. If I understand you right > (standard-display-default 128 255) > should work if I am not in unibyte mode. Yes, but it only applies to chars in the 128-255 range (in the domain of the chars internal to Emacs, not in latin-1, or koi-8, or whathaveyou). > When I load a buffer with german umlaute in "emacs --no-init-file", > according to the modeline emacs is not using the unibyte mode. > Nonetheless, standard-display-default has no effect for me either. > Or am I missing something here? When not in multibyte mode, most likely your umlaute are correctly recognized as latin-1 and represented as latin-1 chars internally (with codepoints around 2200 or 2300 IIRC). Try C-u C-x = on one of those chars. To see the octal sequence try: open the file in unibyte mode, then type M-x toggle-enable-multibyte-characters RET. Stefan