From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <87y7b96az8.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87fxxfnrhi.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85abnkodlu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85k5mnjjyn.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199621142 28909 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 12:05:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:05:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 13:06:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBUG6-000612-81 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:05:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBUFi-0001sn-9g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:05:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBUFb-0001on-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:05:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBUFZ-0001mF-Sg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:05:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBUFZ-0001lp-MC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:05:09 -0500 Original-Received: from cpe-69-204-164-144.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.164.144] helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBUFZ-000247-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:05:09 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <85k5mnjjyn.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:02:08 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86320 Archived-At: Unless your "own data" _is_ the published repository. But in Emacs development, it is not. As an example, consider a Medieval European merchant: he thought of a trading voyage to Constantinople as `his'. Several centuries later, a merchant thought of a trading voyage as `not his' even if he owned the ship 100%, did not purchase insurance, etc. That is because of a change in book keeping in which a distinction was made between those who controlled money and their nephews and cousins who went on the voyage. (I think the then new book keeping was intended to make it harder for the nephews and cousins to steal excessively; but that is neither here nor there.) I, for one, do not want to use RMS's repository. For one, he is often off-line. I prefer a site that is supposed to be on-line when I try to connect. No one is defending CVS; but several want to understand how to be the equivalent of what they are already, a 16th century merchant, rather than a 12th century merchant. That is what this whole `commit', `push' discussion is about. Since some developers have work and sleep patterns that are 12 hours different from yours, and they do not want you to change to confirm to them, they do not want anything that is immediate. And some are not connected and some do not want interruptions. IRC is big fear, since it means that some people will not develop and there are few as it is. That means email makes sense. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc