From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org
Subject: Re: rcirc manual
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:20:30 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ExkOU-0004EmC@rattlesnake.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <umzhz19bs.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:51:19 +0200)
> @key{TAB} is typeset to show an image of a key on a keyboard. I
> think it is not the right markup in this case, because this manual
> does not talk about keys, it talks about typing a TAB.
Use the `@kbd' command for characters of input to be typed by
users. ...
Use the `@key' command for the conventional name for a key on
a keyboard ...
Bob, I know what the Texinfo manual says about this issue, I just
think it's not 100% clear what it means in practice. For example, you
could use either @kbd{M-@key{x}} or @kbd{M-x} (since `x' ``describes a
key by name''), but the Texinfo manual doesn't touch this dilemma.
My keyboard has a key labelled "Tab" but conventionally, its input can
be sent either by pressing that key or by pressing C-i. So it seems
to be that in the question of the rcirc manual, @kbd{TAB} makes most
sense.
... @key is appropriate when talking about keys on the keyboard,
like in the Emacs manual chapter which explains the
Backspace/Delete/DEL issue ...
Yes, I agree.
I think the effect of @key is not what you want; in particular
@kbd{M-@key{x}} looks ugly.
I just tested the example, @kbd{C-x @key{ESC}}, in Texinfo. (No one
that I know would write @kbd{M-@key{x}}. Instead, he or she would
write either @kbd{M-x} or @key{M-x}.) For @kbd{C-x @key{ESC}}, both
the Info and the DVI outputs look fine to me. I particularly like
this output since it tells me, perhaps wrongly, that I am supposed to
press the <ESC> key and not C-[.
... if the text is something like "press the TAB key", then
@key{TAB} is the right markup, but if the text says "you can use
TAB for completion", I'd use @kbd{TAB}.
Yes. I agree. Of course, everyone must check lest someone say "press
the TAB key" when he or she really means "you can use TAB ...", but
that is a different issue.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-14 12:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-09 17:47 rcirc manual Björn Lindström
2006-01-13 11:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-13 14:10 ` Alex Schroeder
2006-01-13 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-13 15:11 ` Alex Schroeder
2006-01-14 16:14 ` Richard M. Stallman
2006-01-13 15:48 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-01-13 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-13 22:16 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-01-14 8:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-14 12:20 ` Robert J. Chassell [this message]
2006-01-14 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-14 17:47 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-01-15 23:07 ` Richard M. Stallman
2006-01-15 7:49 ` Richard M. Stallman
2006-01-15 19:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-15 22:23 ` Karl Berry
2006-01-16 4:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-15 22:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-01-16 14:15 ` Richard M. Stallman
2006-01-21 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-01-23 0:09 ` Alex Schroeder
2006-01-27 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
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