From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <85acg5u9nl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87lkzo1s34.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87r79fuf4z.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87u0e7i3us.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87fyppi8cl.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87mzjxdk66.fsf@jurta.org> <85iruk4qnf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87br0co9ym.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <873bln6h6f.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132750297 25298 80.91.229.2 (23 Nov 2005 12:51:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 23 13:51:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eeu1j-0005Wc-ID for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:47:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eeu1i-0003vp-Ps for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:47:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EetOW-00058C-38 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:06:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EetOS-00057Z-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:06:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EetOQ-00057G-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:06:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [69.168.108.225] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EetOQ-0007ve-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:06:30 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: <873bln6h6f.fsf@jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:06:24 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46481 Archived-At: ... easy to type is not a requirement for a key sequence to invoke calc. That depends on how frequently you invoke Calc. Certainly, I invoke `C-x o' (other-window) more often than Calc. But I invoke Calc more often than `M-DEL' (backward-kill-word). Both are default keybindings in the current distribution. Besides calculations, such as division or least squares, Calc is really good for conversions. Nowadays, I use that feature frequently. Of course, your meterage may vary -- in the United States, we say `your _milage_ may vary', and we speak of `barrels' of oil ... As for using `C-x,' for `calc-dispatch': it is unmnemonic. That is true. But `C-x,,' does well to turn Calc on or off using the same Calc interface as before. Also `C-x,g' does well for calc-grab-region, `C-x,y' for calc-copy-to-buffer, and so on. And I just tried `C-x,' in a tty as well as in X (with `-Q -D', yesterday's CVS snapshot), and in a xterm (`-Q -D -nw'). The keybinding is undefined in all. You can invoke it on an American keyboard; I do not know about others. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc