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From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com>
Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize"
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:52:32 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1Cw7ou-0004FJC@rattlesnake.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FDELKNEBLPKKDCEBEJCBCEJACLAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>

Today's GNU Emacs CVS snapshot, Tue, 2005 Feb  1  13:09 UTC
GNU Emacs 21.3.50.49 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.4.14) 
started with

    emacs -Q

I see the same behavior in today's CVS snapshot as Drew Adams, who
used an instance of CVS Emacs from last July.

First, I evaluated the following in my *scratch* buffer:

    (setq-default fill-column 42)
    (custom-set-variables
     '(fill-column 75))
    (custom-set-faces)

Drew Adams wrote:

   Upon restarting, fill-column is 75 and flagged "set and saved" in
   Customize.

Yes. Same here.  Except I am not sure what Drew meant by the word
`restarting'; to me that means starting a new instance of Emacs.
Perhaps that is what he did.

In any event, I ran `M-x customize-variable RET fill-column RET' and
saw the message.

Then I evaluated `(setq-default fill-column 42)' after the custom-set*,
like this:

    (custom-set-variables
     '(fill-column 75))
    (custom-set-faces)
    (setq-default fill-column 42)

Drew Adams wrote:

   Then, upon restarting, fill-column is 42 and flagged "changed outside
   Customize". 

Yes, also, when running `M-x customize-variable RET fill-column RET'.

If I remember and understand correctly, this means that at least

    let,
    set, 
    setq, 
    setq-default, 
    defvar, 
    defconst,
    defcustom, 
    set-variable, and 
    custom-set-variables 

are different functions to set the value cell of a symbol, and the
value is the last set in the environment.

-- 
    Robert J. Chassell                         
    bob@rattlesnake.com                         GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8
    http://www.rattlesnake.com                  http://www.teak.cc

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-01 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-26  0:03 Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Richard Stallman
2005-01-31 10:33 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-02-01 13:30   ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-01 14:32     ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-02-01 18:58       ` Drew Adams
2005-02-01 20:04         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-01 20:38           ` Drew Adams
2005-02-01 20:44           ` David Kastrup
2005-02-01 21:05             ` Drew Adams
2005-02-01 23:52               ` Robert J. Chassell [this message]
2005-02-01 21:19             ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-01 21:35               ` David Kastrup
2005-02-01 22:11                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-01 22:26                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-02  1:03                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-02  1:34                       ` Drew Adams
2005-02-02  2:11                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-02  2:51                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-03  6:40                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-01 22:28                   ` David Kastrup
2005-02-01 22:40                   ` Drew Adams
2005-02-03  6:39                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03  7:29                       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-05  5:27                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03 16:54                       ` Drew Adams
2005-02-01 22:40                 ` Drew Adams
2005-02-01 21:25           ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-03  6:39             ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-02  7:57           ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-02-02 18:33             ` Drew Adams
2005-02-02 21:04               ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-02 22:11                 ` Drew Adams
2005-02-02 22:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-02 22:45                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-03 15:49                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-03 16:12                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-03 15:51                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-03 16:01                     ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-03 19:14                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-04  7:27                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-03 19:12             ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03 19:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-03 19:59                 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-03 20:34                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-05  5:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03 20:53               ` Drew Adams
2005-02-03 22:08                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-03 22:13                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-04  1:04                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-04  1:31                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-04  3:16                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-03 21:10               ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-03  6:39           ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03  6:41       ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03 14:42         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-03 15:23           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-03 15:48           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-01 15:41   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-02  7:40     ` Per Abrahamsen

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