From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104774516 16065 80.91.229.6 (3 Jan 2005 17:48:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 18:48:27 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ClWJe-0000kE-00 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:48:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClWUo-0002Ad-M7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:59:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClWUU-00027E-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:59:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClWUS-00026M-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:59:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClWUS-00026B-QC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:59:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [69.168.110.189] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ClWIu-00016I-Hz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:47:40 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31745 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31745 "Drew Adams" wrote, If users who potentially would prefer Lisp names don't even know that displaying Lisp names is an option, then that is a loss. It is even worse when it is not an evident option. I just started a plain vanilla Emacs using `emacs -Q' from an Emacs built on 28 Dec 2004. In that instance of Emacs, I brought up the customization buffer for `Escape Glyph' from by clicking on `escape-glyph' in *Faces*. The *Faces* buffer does tell me the Lisp name. However, the *Customize Face: Escape Glyph* buffer does not. I could not find any way of showing it by clicking on either of the two buttons that showed some possibility: `State' and `Value Menu'. (As for the other buttons, I did not click on them because: I did not want to see the parent groups, I did not want to hide the face, and it looked to me that the generic commands, such as `Set for Current Session' were not relevant.) Perhaps I could do something different, but the action is not evident. (The Info for (emacs)Easy Customization did not help either, not in a quick look.) Please, either stop trying to prettify names altogether or provide both the prettified and proper name, as in Escape Glyph face, escape-glyph: (sample) Hide Face rather than Escape Glyph face: (sample) Hide Face Then those of us who would use customize for features we do not understand, like faces, could actually use it. Also, what is the equivalent command to `C-h v' (describe-variable) for faces which are not variables? `C-h C-h' (help-for-help) does not tell, at least, not obviously. (Please remember, all this is for people who are not experts on the topic, so everything must be obvious.) Thank you. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc