From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Merry Xmas and a... OMG, what did you just say? Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104498929 11135 80.91.229.6 (31 Dec 2004 13:15:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, xemacs-review@xemacs.org, sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Dec 31 14:15:17 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CkMce-00027O-00 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:15:16 +0100 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBVDBRft007230; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:27 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBVDBKCm007210 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:20 -0500 Original-Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBVDBKMH007209 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:20 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBVDBJ4q007184 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBVDBJJe007182 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from rattlesnake.com (69-168-110-189.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.168.110.189]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBVDBIKW007168; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:11:18 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: Steve Youngs In-reply-to: (message from Steve Youngs on Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:21:47 +1000) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17590 gmane.emacs.devel:31639 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31639 Steve Youngs wrote o I want a development environment that doesn't get boiled down in "politics". That is wonderful! What method are you going to use? After all, neither you nor any other developer is interested in politics, but must have others force politics upon you. The XEmacs people decided on irrelevance: be obscure, do not do anything that supports the rights of others to develop. The GNU people decided to fight, even though they do not want to. Fortunately, that mostly means most do not have to fight. Are you going to make sure that every contributor makes sure his or her employer or university provides legal papers that will convince a judge that the contributor has or had the legal right to contribute? That way when someone unfriendly sues a company you have never heard of for plagiarism (obviously, no one will sue you or other developers) the case is thrown out of court. Or are you planning to be so irrelevant and obscure that no one takes someone else to court? Also, how are you planning to avoid the politics of patents? No one into software development and freedom will go near them, unless forced to. So what will give you the power to keep them away (besides being obviously irrelevant, or are you planning on irrelevance)? -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc