From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <878y84t52h.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <01c4e091$Blat.v2.2.2$b6626d00@zahav.net.il> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102904747 18542 80.91.229.6 (13 Dec 2004 02:25:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 13 03:25:40 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cdfu3-0007nC-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:25:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdg48-0001Vw-2L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:36:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdg3w-0001Tw-Hb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:35:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdg3v-0001TK-Ro for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:35:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cdg3v-0001Sx-Ej for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:35:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [69.168.110.189] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cdfs3-0001xW-Gd; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:23:31 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: David Kastrup In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:43:18 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31051 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17431 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31051 > ??? The FSF sells printed copies of the ELisp manual. I actually saw > them. Well, but it would not seem that there is much interest from independent publishers, and that was supposed to be the driving factor for choosing the GFDL instead of the GPL, if I understood the argument correctly. Evidentally, I have not been clear. Nothing in this thread that I said should have suggested that interest from independent publishers drives the use of the GFDL with regard to the elisp reference manual. Instead, I have tried to say that the goal is to persuade others to choose the GFDL over a `Creative Commons license with a commercial restriction' or similar license. The GFDL is better. Being a `do as we do' organization is necessary on account of the characters of the people in the organization. They are lousy at doing one thing and saying something at odds with that action. The GFDL ends up both moral and practical. These are the driving factors. (Incidentally, as far as I can see, the timescale for measuring success or failure is another generation or so. My hope is that by that time, societies will have decided that it is a good idea to permit strangers to modify changeable works like technical documentation, to permit strangers to manufacture copies of them that use resources, and at the same time to permit the initiating organizations to recover costs they have expended. My fear is that the strategy will have failed and that societies will have decided to restrict your freedom to protect yourself from those who would hinder development to their benefit.) -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc