From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: terminal escapes in Info files? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:06:53 -0500 (EST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310281746.h9SHk2915693@f7.net> <87u15rb6hc.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067553194 19848 80.91.224.253 (30 Oct 2003 22:33:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 30 23:33:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFLLs-0008QC-00 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:33:12 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFLLr-0008L4-00 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:33:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFLIQ-00018x-BP for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:29:38 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AFLII-00010y-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AFLHl-0008PC-3i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:29:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.114.245] (helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFLHj-0008Ju-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:28:56 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:06:53 -0500 (EST) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: <87u15rb6hc.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17624 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17624 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote .... But there is no reason why HTML produced by a documentation system shouldn't _require_ (and enforce, by automatically producing them from eg Texinfo source) Yes, I agree that makeinfo with the `--html' option should produce this (and the equivalents for the more usable case in which sibling nodes are in different files). Then, we need to provide a Web browser in Emacs that can make use of these nodes. I would especially like to see a function called `HTML-search' that provides the same capabilities as `Info-search'. Also, as a practical matter, it would be good to tell people the appropriate key bindings needed for Mozilla and its deriviatives, Galeon and Firebird, for Konqueror, and for Lynx. (It would be nice to encourage the developers of these programs to provide a regexp `HTML-search' capability for multi-page documents that are properly written.) My guess is that HTML provides all the features needed to provide a target language isomorphic to Info, and it would be at most a couple days' work to port Emacs's Info reader to such a language. I still fail to understand why anyone would want to make the Info markup language look like a subset of HTML or of an XML when Texinfo already produces HTML and XML. Does it not make more sense to upgrade makinfo's HTML and XML output, and then upgrade Emacs Web browsers to use that output? (W3 mode needs upgrading anyhow; if implemented, this proposal simply increases the need to upgrade W3 mode. Hmmm.... while thinking about Web browsers, should W3M mode be changed so that its display looks to someone able to use sight like the display produced by Mozilla or Konqueror?) -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@rattlesnake.com