From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Problems with info (emacs version) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306020333.h523XMC23468@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200306030445.h534juk24570@eel.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054664041 15452 80.91.224.249 (3 Jun 2003 18:14:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 03 20:14:00 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NGGf-0003rE-00 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:12:17 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NGXs-0008Jf-00 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:30:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NGFx-0001DP-2k for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:11:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NGBx-0008HO-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:07:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NG9J-0006fb-1h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:04:41 -0400 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NG86-0005GK-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: <200306030445.h534juk24570@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:45:56 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14645 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14645 Luc Teirlinck noted the context: (info)Help-M which is used in the tutorial, *only* describes menus as they appear in the standalone info, not as they appear in the emacs version and the two are very different. RMS asked: Would you please tell me the specific differences? I scanned through that none and did not notice anything incorrect. The surface expressions are different depending on the value of Info-hide-note-references Most likely you have Info-hide-note-references's value set to nil. However, the default is to set Info-hide-note-references to t *If non-nil, hide the tag and section reference in *note and * menu items. Also replaces the "*note" text with "see". If value is non-nil but not t, the reference section is still shown. When you do this, using Today's CVS snapshot, Tue, 2003 Jun 3 12:21 lisp UTC GNU Emacs 21.3.50.48 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit) started with /usr/local/bin/emacs -q --no-site-file --eval '(blink-cursor-mode 0)' then the menu in (info)Help-M looks like this. * Menu: * Foo A node you can visit for fun. * Bar We have made two ways to get to the same place. * Help-FOO And yet another! But when Info-hide-note-references is set to nil, as it was in the old days by default, the menu looks like this: * Menu: * Foo: Help-FOO. A node you can visit for fun. * Bar: Help-FOO. We have made two ways to get to the same place. * Help-FOO:: And yet another! I remember all this because I prefer the old format and remember when I had to put (setq Info-hide-note-references nil) into my .emacs file. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@rattlesnake.com