From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never). Date: 02 May 2004 15:16:56 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87hdvux5uz.fsf@orebokech.com> <87lll6v514.fsf@orebokech.com> <200404100109.KAA03816@etlken.m17n.org> <20040501232151.GA10382@fencepost> <16533.14869.127534.911979@nick.uklinux.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083526433 1354 80.91.224.253 (2 May 2004 19:33:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 19:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kenichi Handa , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" , Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun May 02 21:33:44 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKMie-00027I-00 for ; Sun, 02 May 2004 21:33:44 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKMie-00074a-00 for ; Sun, 02 May 2004 21:33:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKMbo-0008DD-HZ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 15:26:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKMZo-0006Z7-Nq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 15:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKMYy-0005PQ-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 15:24:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BKMYg-0004ca-F3; Sun, 02 May 2004 15:23:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [206.47.199.141] (helo=simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKMSW-0007oN-B4; Sun, 02 May 2004 15:17:04 -0400 Original-Received: from empanada.local ([67.71.116.192]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040502191702.WNCJ25455.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@empanada.local>; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: by empanada.local (Postfix, from userid 502) id 2A36B171761; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <16533.14869.127534.911979@nick.uklinux.net> Original-Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22555 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22555 > IMHO, any feature freeze is only meaningful if it is accompanied by a branch. > Otherwise new features will have no place to go and will quite likely get > bundled in with bug-fixes. No, we want people to stop working on features and work on bugfixing instead. When we create the branch is when we say "alright people, if you're bored of bugfixing you can add features again". > Also, from the mailing list archives, I see that a year elapsed between the > first pretest and the release of Emacs 21.1. So I would like to see a target > date for the release so that the "freeze" doesn't drag on indefinitely. It just depends on how much time it takes before the stream of bug-reports slows down enough that the code can be considered "stable". Stefan