From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Texinfo/info: scrolling images (Re: Gtk patch version 3, part 1) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200301011944.h01Jim0U011400@stubby.bodenonline.com> <5xu1gpu4do.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200301111950.h0BJomH04190@rum.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: bob@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042318980 18989 80.91.224.249 (11 Jan 2003 21:03:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18XSmQ-0004w8-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:02:58 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18XSt6-0000Bd-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:09:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XSnQ-0007RN-01 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:04:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XSmv-0006ew-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XSmj-0006Np-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:03:17 -0500 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XSmV-0005qb-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:03:04 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: <200301111950.h0BJomH04190@rum.cs.yale.edu> (monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10666 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10666 > more important, the info file format still lack image support. Actually, Info has enjoyed image support from its beginning -- I remember vividly creating images for Info for the Texinfo manual. See File: texinfo, Node: Tree Structuring The images are built from plain ASCII characters, of course, but they are there. Images, even those built from plain ASCII, are a danger. This is because Texinfo is designed for a wide variety of output formats, not only for fast computers and high resolution typset printing. Texinfo is designed for listening. If you drive a car, you are `situationally blind' and should not look at images in a document, but only listen to it. If you are permanently blind, you may be able to feel an image, if you have the right kind of output equipment, but more likely, you will listen to it. Remember, in its `Emacspeak' variation, GNU Emacs provides a complete auditory environment for a typical personal computer. A normal PC requires no additional cards or parts besides an audio card (which most modern PCs already have). Both the `flite' and its Emacs interface `eflite' are in Debian (and other distributions) and provide the requisit text-to-voice driver for Emacspeak. People who have good vision and don't think if using their computers in theirscars often think images are wonderful. The use too many of them. And they design documents that don't hear well. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@gnu.org