From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bold by moving pixels problem Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20021120220834.GC29543@gnu.org> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037838326 10064 80.91.224.249 (21 Nov 2002 00:25:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Ef9l-0002bg-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:25:21 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18EfDC-0003Bw-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:28:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ef7m-0000TN-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:23:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18Ef6c-0008Pe-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18Ef6Z-0008OP-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:22:05 -0500 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ef6V-0008Mj-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:22:00 -0500 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: miles@gnu.org In-reply-to: <20021120220834.GC29543@gnu.org> (message from Miles Bader on Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:34 -0500) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9587 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9587 Yes, that happens with the font I use too; however, as I said in my original post, it actually doesn't seem to make much difference to readability. I know what you mean -- on some fonts it does not matter. But in this case, it is very obvious and ugly. If the only thing that concerns you is the `synthesized bold,' I suppose a variable could be added to specifically inhibit this behavior. Nice, but not enough. However, some `real' bold fonts actually have this same problem -- characters like `m' can be only vague blobs, with the vertical strokes undifferentiated. Perhaps in such a case, people would like to disable even `real' bold-face. Yes -- I would like to disable `real' bold-face. I would like everything with bold to be `normal' weight; I then use color to indicate bold. With this laptop screen, that works best. (I am using "DodgerBlue4" for background and "cyan" for foreground -- suits me well.) So maybe it would be better to add a more general feature that could also make such a decision based on the actual font rather than universally. Yes. [Another case might be fonts that don't have italic -- some people might like to e.g. display an underline instead in this case] Yes -- again, on this screen, my italic shape looks terrible, so I use color for this, too. (I have an underline face, which I could use for italic, but color works best.) Do please try to come up with some variable; that way I can use the shape changers on appropriate screens and what amounts to a fixed width sans serif font with colors for most of my other faces. Thanks! -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@rattlesnake.com