From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.design,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Sender: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org Message-ID: References: <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net> <87vg5pe4pr.fsf@emacswiki.org> <3D73F919.5010706@cox.net> <873csqr8b9.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87u1l6pok2.fsf@emacswiki.org> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031141567 25257 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 2002 12:12:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: alex@emacswiki.org Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([207.96.1.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mZ1Z-0006ZF-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:12:45 +0200 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28719; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:14:05 -0400 Original-Received: (from turnbull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA27998 for xemacs-design-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: (from mail@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA27994 for turnbull@tux.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (megalith.rattlesnake.com [140.186.114.245]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27953 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org In-Reply-To: <87u1l6pok2.fsf@emacswiki.org> (message from Alex Schroeder on Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:48:45 +0200) X-XEmacs-List: design Errors-To: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org X-BeenThere: xemacs-design@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion of design and features for XEmacs. List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.design:1382 gmane.emacs.devel:7449 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7449 Alex Schroeder wrote: I forgot to mention this: Emacs is supposed to be a self-documenting editor. Right. That is why it has such a good Info and other help system. Please remember, even a good distribution, such as Debian, distributes the .el files in a separate package that many people do not load. This is the Debian .el installation: apt-get install emacs21-el i.e., the .el files are not part of package that you install with: apt-get install emacs21 Also, please remember that novices often do *not* know that .el files exist. Worse, when they learn about them, the .el files sound scary. A goal is to lead those novices who want to use Emacs as more than a useful tool to the .el files. The kind of people who want a useful tool, and no more, might, if persuaded, read the Info or other online help, such as that provided by Control-h; but they do not have the interest or the time to do more, unless very gently persuaded. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com Free Software Foundation http://www.gnu.org GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8