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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: User-reserved element in byte code vectors
Date: 02 May 2004 17:07:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17jvu5z9g.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85d65m8tgl.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>

>> I thought you already had it implemented.
> I'm using another way which I sketched in a message a few days ago.

OK, so I understood it right.  My argument is that my way is better than
your current way.

In your current way (at least what I can tell from your sketch), calling
a closure involves really two function calls (you first call the wrapper
which then calls the bytecode with the extra environment argument, which is
the massaging I was talking about).

Constructing a closure in your scheme involves creating the wrapper which
boils down to constructing one new byte-compiled-object as well as one new
"constants" vector which holds the static environment, the real
byte-compiled code and maybe one or two more constants.
I.e. one byte-compiled-object and one vector.

I.e. the downside of my approach (constructing one byte-compiled-object
plus one constants vector) doesn't seem nearly as bad when seen in
this light.  Admittedly my constants vector will generally be larger so
your closure-construction is still usually more efficient, but
only profiling can tell if the difference is significant.

>> Well, there are two questions:
>> - how best to implement closures, given the current Emacs C code.
>> - how best to implement closures, assuming we get to change the C code.
>> I'm talking about the first question.  Miles's work is within the context
>> of the second.

> I'm interested in both.

I'm also interested in both, but we can't say "answer 1 to question 1 sucks
because answer 2 to question 2 is better".

To get back to the original question, I now don't see how you can usefully
put the static environment in slot 7 without making changes to the C code,
so there's no point deciding it's reserved for use by elisp packages.

As for the rest of the meta-data you might want to put in
byte-compiled-objects, maybe we should dedicate one of the slots (maybe the
7th or 8th) for an alist where people can put whatever they want.


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-02 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1BH4Nx-000730-Dq@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <85k7036eqr.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>
     [not found]   ` <E1BI6nw-0005F4-Hl@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <85smepfzqo.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>
     [not found]       ` <E1BIm46-0001Ha-5A@fencepost.gnu.org>
2004-04-28 10:43         ` User-reserved element in byte code vectors (was: Emacs Common Lisp) Lars Brinkhoff
2004-04-28 13:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 15:08             ` User-reserved element in byte code vectors Lars Brinkhoff
2004-04-28 15:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 16:51                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-04-28 17:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02  7:59                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02  9:43                   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-02 16:02                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03 14:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 19:57                         ` Miles Bader
2004-05-05  5:23                           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-05 20:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06  3:55                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-06  4:56                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-06 11:48                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-14 17:53                                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-14 18:27                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-14 19:50                                         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-14 22:03                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-14 22:14                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-15 18:34                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-15 23:10                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17 11:04                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-17 11:28                                             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-17 16:30                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-17 22:06                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17 22:33                                                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-18  1:29                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 13:17                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-18 23:45                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-19  6:28                                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-05-19  6:37                                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-19 19:00                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-19 22:32                                                       ` Function vectors: +funvec-20030520-0-c.patch Miles Bader
2004-05-19  7:34                                                   ` User-reserved element in byte code vectors Kim F. Storm
2004-05-19 13:45                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-19 14:28                                                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-19 15:19                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-20  0:31                                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-05-20 13:17                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-21  1:28                                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-22  7:31                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-22  9:37                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 14:53                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-18 17:34                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 14:53                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-16 23:53                                         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                       ` <E1BP3ym-0007oy-F7@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                         ` <20040515231754.GB20052@fencepost>
2004-05-16  4:02                                           ` Function vectors: +funvec-20030516-0-c.patch Miles Bader
2004-05-16 12:28                                             ` Function vectors: +funvec-20030516-1-c.patch Miles Bader
2004-05-16 23:58                                             ` Function vectors: +funvec-20030516-0-c.patch Stefan Monnier
2004-05-17  0:03                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17  0:14                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-17  0:30                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17 16:09                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-17 22:21                                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 13:30                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-17 11:04                                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-17 11:04                                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-17 22:54                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 14:54                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-18  6:04                                               ` Function vectors: +funvec-20030518-0-c.patch Miles Bader
2004-05-06  6:17                                 ` User-reserved element in byte code vectors Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-06 14:24                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-06 20:39                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-02 16:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 18:59                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02 19:21                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 19:27                         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02 19:54                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 20:28                             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02 21:07                               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2004-05-03  6:08                                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02 19:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28 15:38           ` User-reserved element in byte code vectors (was: Emacs Common Lisp) Miles Bader
2004-05-01  5:30             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-01 23:58               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01  7:01     ` get-internal-run-time Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-01 18:53       ` get-internal-run-time Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02 14:44         ` get-internal-run-time Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-02 15:45           ` get-internal-run-time Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-02 18:41           ` get-internal-run-time Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03  0:10             ` get-internal-run-time Kevin Ryde
2004-05-03  5:38               ` get-internal-run-time Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03 14:03             ` get-internal-run-time Richard Stallman
2004-10-28 16:30       ` get-internal-run-time Lars Brinkhoff

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