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From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com>
Subject: Re: Patch to disable links line in *info* buffer
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:56:11 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17H0Ml-000IeaC@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87elfhnlas.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (message from Miles Bader on 09 Jun 2002 13:11:23 +0900)

   I think the Consensus on this mailing list seems to be that the
   old-new-style -- node-names in header-line only, not copyable -- is
   better.

It is better than duplicating lines, which as Eli says, looks like a
display bug.  At this stage, the best temporary solution may be to
revert.

The ultimate solution may be more along the lines that Eli mentioned:

    ... a way to copy mode- and header-lines. 

although the design of the current node header does not list the Info
filename, only the next, previous, and up nodes.  I am not sure that
the current header format is wrong; I am only saying that it is not
useful to me as designed.

Considering what you [Miles] said:

   That leaves the question of what people like who _do_ want easy
   copyability should do.

    1) Just tell them `set Info-use-header-line to nil'

This is the way it has been for a while, and works fine for
knowledgeable people.  This feature should certainly continue.

    2) Keep reminding them of the `Info-copy-current-node-name' function
       (bound to `c' in info-mode, and also in the Info menu)

We don't need to say more than this.

    3) Perhaps add a more intuitive binding for Info-copy-current-node-name.

I think both the mouse and keyboard bindings for
`Info-copy-current-node-name' are fine as they are.

The `Info-copy-current-node-name' function produces output that is
very convenient if you know Info, since it creates a reference in a
form that `Info-goto-node' understands.

Unfortunately, I often communicate with people who don't know about
Info, or who know very little, whom I am trying to inspire.

For example, yesterday morning, a correspondent asked whether Texinfo
files are directed graphs?  After distinguishing between the
organization of a document and the @section and similar commands,
which format headers, I quoted from Texinfo manual, saying

    As the Texinfo manual says with respect to Info:

        File: texinfo,  Node: Info Files

For this person, such a long-winded reference is more informative and
inspiring than the output of the `Info-copy-current-node-name'
function,

    (texinfo)Info Files

even though the latter is more efficient for those who already know
Info. (I doubt this correspondent knows much about Info yet.  I hope
she will start using Texinfo to document her work, which is writing
programs for biological researchers, as well as make the software
free.)

-- 
    Robert J. Chassell                  bob@rattlesnake.com
    Rattlesnake Enterprises             http://www.rattlesnake.com

  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-09 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-06 18:32 Patch to disable links line in *info* buffer Romain FRANCOISE
2002-06-06 23:24 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-07 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-08  0:52   ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-08 21:39     ` Romain FRANCOISE
2002-06-08 22:08       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-06-08 22:30       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-09  4:11         ` Miles Bader
2002-06-09 10:56           ` Robert J. Chassell [this message]
2002-06-09  5:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-06-10 13:59         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-06-10 16:46           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-10 17:28             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-06-10 20:50               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-10 22:18                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-10 22:24                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-06-11 11:15                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-11 21:00                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-11  5:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-06-10 20:58               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-10 21:52                 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-06-11  9:36               ` Andreas Schwab
2002-06-10 19:57             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-11 19:25             ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-11 20:01               ` Jason Rumney
2002-06-11 23:45                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-12 12:14                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-12 22:15                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-13 21:46                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-13 23:22                         ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-19 13:10                           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-19 15:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-06-21 21:40                               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-21 23:56                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-21  9:40                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-13 15:34                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-13 17:17                     ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]             ` <200206130905.g5D95ie06537@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-06-13 11:36               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-13 23:18                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-14 15:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-17 19:28             ` Patch for emacs-lisp-intro.texi Christian Egli
2002-06-11 19:25           ` Patch to disable links line in *info* buffer Richard Stallman
2002-06-09 23:04       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-10 10:15       ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-10 10:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-06-09 15:18     ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-09 15:58       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-06-09 23:38       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-06-10 23:43         ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-10  5:14       ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-06-10  5:24         ` Miles Bader
2002-06-10 23:43         ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-11  0:12           ` Miles Bader
2002-06-11  5:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-06-11  7:05             ` Miles Bader
2002-06-11 13:20               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-12  2:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-12 10:33                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-12 23:47                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-13 13:20                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-06-14 15:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-14 19:00                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-06-12  2:32               ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-12  2:53                 ` Miles Bader
2002-06-12 18:21                   ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-06-12 21:36               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-06-11  4:17           ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-06-11  5:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-06-11 15:26               ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-06-09  5:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-07 13:35 David Ponce
2002-06-07 13:56 David Ponce

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