From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204201727.g3KHRD401381@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220746.g3M7kvY01878@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220928.g3M9S9H32293@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CC40A74.5040600@666.com> <200204231930.g3NJUvJ02796@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204250607.g3P67Ym03968@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019739823 21475 127.0.0.1 (25 Apr 2002 13:03:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: keichwa@gmx.net, rms@gnu.org, gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 170iuV-0005aG-00 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:03:43 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 170iwf-0001WA-00 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:05:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170iuD-00033B-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:03:25 -0400 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170irk-0002sJ-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:00:52 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: schwab@suse.de In-Reply-To: (message from Andreas Schwab on Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:21:27 +0200) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3254 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3254 |> Sometimes the CONTROL key is labeled CTRL or CTL; at other times it is |> labeled differently: often as CAPS LOCK. I don't this it is ever usefull to talk about a key labeled CAPS LOCK in this context. Anyone who gives such a remapped keyboard to a newbee without explaination should be shot. It's like using a dvorak layout on a traditional keyboard. What do you do? My question is how do you explain remapping to a novice? I just looked at my current keyboards: all four have the key labeled Ctrl to the far left of the spacebar. This position is too painful for control key use. If a novice tries Emacs with a control key at this position he or she will, rightfully, decide against Emacs. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com