From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204201727.g3KHRD401381@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220746.g3M7kvY01878@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220928.g3M9S9H32293@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CC40A74.5040600@666.com> <3CC525C5.70400@666.com> <5x7kmyhb6d.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019563053 25867 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 11:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, ben@666.com, Pavel@Janik.cz, monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu, rms@gnu.org, gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zyvN-0006j6-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:57:33 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zywY-000295-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:58:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zyv3-0002mW-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:57:13 -0400 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zys3-0002Xn-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: storm@cua.dk In-Reply-To: <5x7kmyhb6d.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> (storm@cua.dk) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3101 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3101 > Do people really like this? It sounds astonishly annoying to have > random meta keys stolen by the menus .... I am skeptical ... So am I. On the other hand, I think many new users would expect that M-f would open the File menu, I doubt that. I suspect that these new users don't know about the Meta key. More likely they expect to use a key that is labeled Alt. Please distinguish among commands, keybinding, and the labels on the keys which are bound. For example, I have two keys labeled with an Alt, both of which I have bound to Meta. I might be persuaded to rebind one of the keys labeled with an Alt to Hyper -- then I could tell a newbie fried that the key labeled Alt on the right hand side of the keyboard handles menus. For testing, please provide alternative xmodmap commands I can put into a ~/.xinitrc file that define what keys come with various labels, along with commands to evaluate in a test Emacs session itself. And please provide *alternative* maps, both for .xmodmap and Emacs, so we can try different proposals, to see which should be a default for `emacs -q', on a console, on a console on a slow connection, in a X windowing system, and so on. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com