From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: moving more cl seq/mapping support into core Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:13:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1285506816 15119 80.91.229.12 (26 Sep 2010 13:13:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:13:36 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 26 15:13:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ozr2s-0002Ir-5T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:13:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ozr2r-00024U-G4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:13:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53849 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ozr2k-00024E-RD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:13:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ozr2j-0007bR-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:13:26 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:50425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ozr2j-0007b8-Ls for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:13:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ozr2e-0002GF-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:13:20 +0200 Original-Received: from cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.9.122.85]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:13:20 +0200 Original-Received: from sdl.web by cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:13:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoAgMAAADxkFD+AAAADFBMVEUvT09qWs3/pQD///+J kUVcAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMLOd3veKQA AACuSURBVBjTldE9CgIxEAXgB+lEyFUC2wo5ikdZ8DSypxhMY7H9VuIVwlqkGRgnm59VsHGafIQ3 CZlAtmKIRaHETgYa12lqvEsPYKf8wXHsPGfqPaUM0g9aJPKFXkmNQmSDqwzz4Fpgpz+6WAPY2z5o uPJJpu0uypcl4nyCibMLQ8lCiVjayLoQvw5LsVKQuHPRR958HZbOcVsKeepcLxpByjycGvnKmY+c MBvrtyjfe0vmuLvdq/kAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (Mac OS X 10.6.4) Cancel-Lock: sha1:D1oQyA/1W1kcFyvLrUEnQZXy6zE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130908 Archived-At: On 2010-09-26 11:37 +0100, Richard Stallman wrote: > Since they would occupy parts of the address space that users expect > is theirs, we would need to document them all in the Lisp manual. Thanks. I think we need not to worry the user address space too much. Those functions are descriptive so it is unlikely someone wants to name a function say remove-if that does something different. Even if they do they can still play with the name by adding *, +, ++, x etc as we have seen in many places. The majority can continue to like what remove-if does. > Aside from that, the keyword-based interfaces of these functions does > not fit the style of Emacs Lisp very well. But all the major build blocks like define-derived-mode, defcustom, define-minor-mode, easy-menu-define etc use keyword arguments. And completing-read, I often want to specify the DEF argument and it is pretty difficult to remember where it is without checking it out with C-h f. Leo