From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: George Plymale II Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? 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[173.239.212.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f4sm13546024qtg.11.2018.01.31.12.49.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 31 Jan 2018 12:49:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (message from George Plymale II on Wed, 31 Jan 2018 00:17:08 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222339 Archived-At: Stefan, As an addition to my last message, I noticed another bug with your patch that I did not notice yesterday. The info files for my packages from ELPA are all missing in the info Directory node. When I use `(package-initialize)' rather than package-fastpath.el, those info nodes are all there. `(package-initialize t)' also did not bring those info nodes back. Evidently it is the package activation which is significant here. There is clearly a lot of work done regarding package activation from `package-initialize' which we need to incorporate. I would like to contribute some fixes to your code, but I am a bit hesitant because of copyright. If I send improvements of your patch, will it be able to get back into package.el? Because I will not sign any papers which give my rights to the FSF nor will I license any code that I write under the GPL. I am fine with licensing any code that I write under a permissive or free license such as New BSD, MIT, or public domain, but I will not put it under the GPL. I hate to bring up such a sticky topic, but I would rather get it out of the way now, before I write a bunch of code which could ultimately be useless because of copyright disagreements. Thanks, - George Plymale II