From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: George Plymale II Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should this package be included into the NS port? 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[173.239.223.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b3-v6sm13720799qto.1.2018.05.29.14.29.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 29 May 2018 14:29:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (message from George Plymale II on Tue, 15 May 2018 01:19:50 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225808 Archived-At: Hi again folks, The discourse so far regarding this issue has been very interesting. It seems there's been a lot of back-and-forth about how to solve this issue in the core. I won't reiterate or re-hash all of it here, but suffice it to say that it seems this brings some significant difficulties due to the way Emacs and the NS machinery cooperate. I'm still wondering if perhaps we shouldn't just put the band-aid of osx-pseudo-daemon on the problem for now. I don't want anyone to feel over-burdened with the task of taking on this issue or to feel out of their depth, so I'm just putting this on the table once more. I talked to Ryan C. Thompson on Github the other day; he said he's already signed the FSF paperwork so his package should be acceptable into the core with little to no issues on that front. I think this package will be a significantly easier solution for the time being (if incomplete), and it will give us a little more time to mull over how to solve the real problem for good. Thanks, - George Plymale II