From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> <86r0hu4qk8.fsf@gnu.org> <86eddu3pbd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21738"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:KDA4GBs6aWrhJm22LEreV6zTXWo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 04 19:58:30 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWhhG-0005TI-Ma for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 19:58:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWhgY-0002lV-V2; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:57:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWhKU-0007oY-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:34:58 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWhKP-0002gp-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:34:57 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWhKM-00071R-EO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 19:34:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 2 X-Spam_score: 0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:57:41 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315866 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But maybe we could look at the result of > > (get 'narrow-to-region 'disabled) > > to deduce that if that is nil, we are dealing with a user who is not > new, even if the key-bindings popup is not disabled. If which-key is > also turned off in "emacs -Q", perhaps that would be good enough? I don't have a strong opinion but that sounds viable. Linking it to narrow-to-region seem unrelated, though I see the point. > And I still think that automatically popping up the *Help* buffer > produced by describe-prefix-bindings is simpler and more coherent with > the rest of Emacs than what which-key does. We could still import > which-key as an optional feature, of course, even if the automatic > popup of describe-prefix-bindings is implemented. Again, I don't have a strong opinion. Automatically popping up a display of bindings is useful. Bonus points for being able to customize the sorting (e.g., by key or command) globally, per prefix or on-the-fly. which-key also leverages some "Custom String Replacement Options" that make the display more useful. -- Howard