From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 06:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444546190 27054 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2015 06:49:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 06:49:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 08:49:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlARo-0005rB-Sb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:49:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47397 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlARo-0004tO-2c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:49:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41143) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlARb-0004tH-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:49:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlARY-00035Q-Ar for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:49:19 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlARY-000357-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:49:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlARV-0005ZE-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:49:13 +0200 Original-Received: from 84-236-95-148.pool.digikabel.hu ([84.236.95.148]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:49:13 +0200 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 84-236-95-148.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:49:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 84.236.95.148 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191195 Archived-At: Richard Stallman gnu.org> writes: > > Naturally -- because I think freedom is more important than technical > progress. Proprietary software offers plenty of technical "progress", > but since I won't surrender my freedom to use it, as far as I'm > concerned it is no progress at all. Then there is no sense talking about competing with IDEs. IDEs provide cutting edge features in the areas of completion and refactoring and most users will only choose Emacs over an IDE if it provides a a comparable level of these features. Most users won't switch just because of the freedom aspect. They will switch if Emacs is at least as good in these areas as their IDEs, so if competing is the goal then catching up with popular IDEs technically is unaviodable.