From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and =?utf-8?b?d2h5CWluZm8JbXVzdA==?= die Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419197577 30122 80.91.229.3 (21 Dec 2014 21:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:32:57 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 21 22:32:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2o7P-0000iZ-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:32:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38392 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2o7O-0004JR-VF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:32:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51651) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2o76-0004J8-TV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:32:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2o70-0007vn-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:32:32 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:35886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2o70-0007vj-Nw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:32:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2o6y-0000Oy-Hg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:32:24 +0100 Original-Received: from 195-38-110-172.pool.digikabel.hu ([195.38.110.172]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:32:24 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 195-38-110-172.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:32:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 195.38.110.172 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180447 Archived-At: David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > > Well, one problem is that the manuals are really effective for learning > a lot in one learning session. And that's a good deal for getting > better with using Emacs. But it doesn't match modern attention spans. Exactly. Users want to get the information fast and it is much faster to search for something in google than trying to find the relevant section of the manual. The manual is great for looikng up again something which you know where to find. E.g. what kind of text properties are there? C-h i -> m elisp -> g -> text properties But if you want to lookup something unfamiliar then google is much more efficient. I wonder how many people read the manual from the beginning to the end like a book. These days (when average attention span is very short due to years of filtering through huge volumes of information on the net) I'd guess not many.