From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278784665 22577 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2010 17:57:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 10 19:57:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeJ5-000673-L0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:57:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59524 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXeJ5-0002oO-86 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59869 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXeIy-0002n6-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeIw-00024b-TA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:35 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeIw-00024O-Nn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:57:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeIv-00062C-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:57:33 +0200 Original-Received: from 178-164-187-121.pool.digikabel.hu ([178.164.187.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:57:33 +0200 Original-Received: from levelhalom by 178-164-187-121.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:57:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 178.164.187.121 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.60) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127001 Archived-At: Alfred M. Szmidt gnu.org> writes: > > I doubt that words like yank, kill, point, etc hinder new users from > using emacs. The argument seems extremly weak. > > As Lennart said before the little things add up. The more unfamiliar things the new user encounters the more time and effort he needs to invest to try emacs and it can be a turn off. There is no reason to use the word yank for an operation which practically every other system calls paste. It's one of those totally unnecessary roadblocks for newbies in emacs.