From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jack Tanner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: development plans for cedet / semantic / nxhtml Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274200087 11026 80.91.229.12 (18 May 2010 16:28:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:28:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 18 18:28:05 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPeG-0007Hw-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 18:28:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40697 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OEPeF-0005Cj-Vh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 12:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35789 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OEPe5-0005B4-P7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 12:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPe4-0006GV-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 12:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:39364) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPe4-0006GJ-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 12:27:52 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OEPdx-00078B-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2010 18:27:45 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-71-182-170-200.pitbpa.east.verizon.net ([71.182.170.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 18:27:45 +0200 Original-Received: from ihok by pool-71-182-170-200.pitbpa.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 18:27:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ connect(): No such file or directory Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 71.182.170.200 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1064 Safari/532.5) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124898 Archived-At: I'm asking this as a user, not a developer, but I think the question belongs here because it involves coordination of development plans. The short version of the question is: is there work afoot to create a nice IDE for writing web apps in a mixture of object-oriented PHP, JavaScript, CSS, and XHTML? If so, what will that involve? nXhtml? CEDET? Semantic? Other elements? The long version is this. 1) I'm using Emacs 23.2 and trying out the new CEDET / Semantic integration, and it's not quite "there" yet. For example, I enabled semantic-mode, and switched to a js-mode buffer. I keep getting this: "wisent-parse-stream: - Invalid start symbol bovine-inner-scope". Seems like a relative of the bug here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.semantic/686 I could just file a bug report, although I don't know where this particular report belongs. But I can also imagine that since the CEDET / Semantic integration is completely new in 23.2, that the developers are aware of many little bugs, and such reports would just be noise to them and wasted time for me. 2) Upstream CEDET apparently has some support for PHP. I'm looking here: http://cedet.sourceforge.net/languagesupport.shtml http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.cedet/4389 The Emacs 23.2 branch doesn't. Is that coming some day? If not, I should try to use upstream CEDET. But then I come across threads like this: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.cedet/4432 3) Right now, my IDE is essentially Emacs + nXhtml. It's working out OK, but there are some more sophisticated features I'd like to use (e.g., automated UML diagramming). Do CEDET and nXhtml play together? Or will they? What about features that both seem to want to provide, like completion? At the end of the day, switching IDEs is not a trivial cost. The support and features of an IDE affect not only how you write code, but what kind of code you write. It plays into plans short-term and long. I can devote some chunk of time to getting a new environment working, but I don't want to do that if another reorganization with a steep learning curve is just down the road.