From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrian Robert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-n and C-a Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87bptqywpq.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233258155 25816 80.91.229.12 (29 Jan 2009 19:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:42:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 29 20:43:49 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LScna-0007uG-RW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:43:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42719 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LScmI-00017u-F9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:42:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSckZ-0000P5-5S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:40:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSckX-0000O5-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:40:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52486 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSckX-0000Nx-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:40:29 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:37898 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LSckW-0006L0-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:40:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LSckO-000639-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:40:20 +0000 Original-Received: from i036133.gprs.dnafinland.fi ([87.95.36.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:40:20 +0000 Original-Received: from Adrian.B.Robert by i036133.gprs.dnafinland.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:40:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 87.95.36.133 (Opera/9.63 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X; U; en) Presto/2.1.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108372 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn member.fsf.org> writes: > IMHO without `visual-line-mode' everything should work on real lines, > with it turned on everything should work on screen lines (as it does > right now). This half screen half real line behavior is somewhat > confusing. I agree. It's also better to use visual-line-mode (and turn on by default if that is the consensus) because that is already in the Options menu, while discovering that the irritating change from emacs-22 was in the 'line-move-visual' setting is always a "fun" exercise when bumping into a new emacs-23 environment -- and the better-advertised red herring of "visual-line-mode" never fails to distract me.