From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Spiro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225834481 21687 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 21:34:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:34:41 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 22:35:44 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxTYo-0001N9-04 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:35:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33167 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTXh-0001mo-3C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:34:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTXd-0001lW-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:34:25 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTXc-0001kq-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:34:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58476 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTXc-0001kn-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:34:24 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:39885 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxTXc-0004bL-Fd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:34:24 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTXZ-0003f2-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:34:21 +0000 Original-Received: from CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([72.138.124.65]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:34:21 +0000 Original-Received: from jasonspiro4 by CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:34:21 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 72.138.124.65 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-2)) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105366 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> wrote: > > Then perhaps we should have a second tutorial, which describes what > the tour does. If you mean we should have a second version of the tour without images, then I respectfully disagree. The tour is good as-is. It would be much worse without the screenshots that are in it. Also, if you mean we should make a second document called a "tutorial" with the same content of the tour, then I also disagree. The reason the tour is called a "tour" is because it is more of a whirlwind tour of Emacs' modes than a tutorial on how to use each mode. It would be confusing to have two tutorials. I am not 100% sure but I suspect the tour covers everything the tutorial covers, plus more. I think the tutorial should be removed from Emacs, and replaced with the tour.