From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: peder@news.klingenberg.no (Peder O. Klingenberg) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proposal: require GnuTLS 3.1.x (previous stable) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:14:12 +0100 Organization: Persons in a Position to Know, inc. 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178288 Archived-At: On Tue, Nov 25 2014 at 18:55, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > Yes, although I’d rather question the necessity of building > Emacs ‘master’ on an LTS GNU/Linux system. If the intent is to > use the last decade’s versions of Libc and Coreutils, – why > Emacs has to be newer than that? Because features. My desktop machine runs Kubuntu 10.04 still, because it mostly does what I need without needing my attention all the time, it is a stable platform I can use to get work done. There is no conscious desire to run old software for nostalgias sake, more a lack of desire to upgrade willy-nilly with the associated breakage-fixing and retraining of muscle memory because some dimwits decided to reinvent everything badly. I do most of my work in Emacs. That means I care about it more than I care about this months desktop fad, the latest and greatest in init systems, or whatever fancy gui+daemon should be used to dynamically configure the network on my perfectly stationary, hardwired desktop machine. I started building emacs from trunk because the repository version had features I wanted. Mostly --daemon, which is a killer feature and a real productivity boost for me, and which was not available in the distro-packaged emacs. I was willing to invest the time and effort involved to get a better emacs, but I was, and am, reluctant to upgrade the bits of the machine that work just fine. > Especially given that the older versions of the system, when > necessary to support legacy software, could be just as well be > run in chroot(2) environments. (Or even be entirely “virtual.”) It's not about legacy software. It's about how I choose to spend my limited time. Playing sysadmin was really exciting back when I installed slackware from a stack of floppies. These days, time spent maintaining the OS is time not spent doing what they pay me to do, and what I enjoy doing - develop software. ...Peder... -- I wish a new life awaited _me_ in some off-world colony.