From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John S. Yates, Jr." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: theming Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:05:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <42CC7021.5050606@student.lu.se> <42CCD07F.5010509@student.lu.se> <42CD1D70.7070601@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120820879 29376 80.91.229.2 (8 Jul 2005 11:07:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 13:07:56 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqqhB-0005hn-UU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:07:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqqib-0002Kw-7K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqqdw-0000jb-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:03:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqqdu-0000hq-D1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:03:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqqdr-0000fg-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:03:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [204.127.202.56] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dqqhh-0000nM-Cu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.yates-sheets.org ([24.218.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050708110038012009maqme>; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:00:38 +0000 Original-Received: from 10.1.1.4 ([10.1.1.4]) by mail.yates-sheets.org (WinRoute Pro 4.2.5) with SMTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from dadold.yates-sheets.org ([10.1.1.12]) by [10.1.1.4] with SMTP (SpamPal v1.57) sender ; 08 Jul 2005 07:07:12 -0400 Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <42CD1D70.7070601@student.lu.se> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 X-SpamPal: PASS WLIST EMAIL X-Wlist-Pattern: john@yates-sheets.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40636 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40636 On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:17:52 +0200, Lennart Borgman wrote: >I agree to whole message. I have written EmacsW32 just for this above.=20 >It would be better if this idea was merged into Emacs. I think however=20 >that it has to coexist with themes in some way and perhaps themes can be= =20 >the underlying structure for this. I do not see it as a layering issue. It is more a plea to move away from simple imperative customization and towards declarative expression of policy / intent. I imagine such choices being made by one-of selections in which the default value would be "classic Emacs". Thus one knob might be frame-usage: - classic Emacs - OneOnOne =46urther, our customize framework would have to be enriched to make default values potentially a function of a policy query. (A simplifying restriction would be require that all policy choices be evaluated before loading any customizations.) /john