From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Burton Samograd Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clang/emacs/ecb/semantic Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:02:09 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20940A983D814C6192ABFF2B7A269A88@gmail.com> <87wqx42nag.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehjcrw70.fsf@engster.org> <87hao816w4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hao7ioos.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87zk1yhib2.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87y5hg3jv1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354551404 28326 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2012 16:16:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:16:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 03 17:16:57 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TfYhT-0001kd-Rc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:16:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35557 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfYhI-0003Lt-1y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:16:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58709) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfYhA-0003L2-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:16:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfYh3-0005KE-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:16:36 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:39854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfYh2-0005Jq-Up for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:16:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TfYhA-0001F7-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:16:36 +0100 Original-Received: from samograd.ca ([69.90.114.176]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:16:36 +0100 Original-Received: from burton by samograd.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:16:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: samograd.ca User-Agent: Gnus/5.1299999999999999 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.90 (cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:FT/fTZ1CZ3t7w1ycCYvEc5JS6Iw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155191 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > GCC can also produce debug information in Dwarf format, i.e. nonfree > debuggers can be used with GCC. > > Yes, of course, but you've changed the subject. The subject is this: > > > Part of the reason why clang/llvm weakens our commnity, compared with > > GCC, is that the clang front ends can feed their data to nonfree > > tools. Is not the production of executable binaries that run on nonfree operating systems the 'feeding of data to nonfree tools'? Where does one draw the line regarding the various forms of output of gcc/binutils? It seems AGPL covers the output from the program; if gcc was AGPL could it's output binaries only be used by GPL operating systems as well? -- Burton Samograd