From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:18:19 -0300 Message-ID: References: <874o5mky4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306880872 6430 80.91.229.12 (31 May 2011 22:27:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:27:52 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 01 00:27:48 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRXPf-0003UT-3i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 00:27:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33618 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRXPe-0005g9-A0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 18:27:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49469) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRWKh-0000Pb-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:18:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRWKf-0007dF-Vt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:18:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:54037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRWKf-0007cv-Lq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:18:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [190.3.23.250] (port=44607 helo=ceviche.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRWKe-0006IG-CS; Tue, 31 May 2011 17:18:32 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A7D4F660DD; Tue, 31 May 2011 18:18:19 -0300 (ART) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 31 May 2011 20:21:24 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140003 Archived-At: >>> So I'd really prefer a way to query whether credentials exists without >>> having to enter a password. Which I think means that an /etc/passwd + >>> /etc/secrets-type split is unavoidable. >> I'd rather add an smtpmail-use-ssl boolean. After all, most other MUAs >> have such a toggle-box. > This isn't about SSL, but about auth. Which are almost, but not > totally, orthogonal issues. :-) Oh, right, it should be smtpmail-use-auth. Stefan