From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:49:13 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a943umku.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ppcvm7fj.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87vbmndk46.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wq72ls2h.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87k332lnn3.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> <878ujhtx89.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <8761eki9ym.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87sihogkt0.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87bnocgh1r.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <85r3x4ie5v.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87y4rcjpfk.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416109783 27824 80.91.229.3 (16 Nov 2014 03:49:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 03:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stephen Leake , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 16 04:49:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XpqqE-0006RA-6p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 04:49:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42693 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XpqqD-0006ns-Sx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:49:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpqq2-0006be-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:49:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpqpu-0007dN-GB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:49:22 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:29959) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpqpu-0007dA-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:49:14 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUIAGA2ZVSnWBqE/2dsb2JhbABbgw6KYssMBAICgRwXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIhLCdEEAQEBBwEBAQEekRQHhEsFjAuNSwWbPYI2gWQfgnsBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AsUIAGA2ZVSnWBqE/2dsb2JhbABbgw6KYssMBAICgRwXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIhLCdEEAQEBBwEBAQEekRQHhEsFjAuNSwWbPYI2gWQfgnsBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,380,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="97107405" Original-Received: from 167-88-26-132.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([167.88.26.132]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Nov 2014 22:49:13 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8F1AA9865; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:49:13 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87y4rcjpfk.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (Nic Ferrier's message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:20:47 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177274 Archived-At: > Apparently people don't believe me or think I am exaggerating. Sounds like a misunderstanding. Among the things you seem to want (IIUC), there are 2 different kinds: - some that are incompatible with some of the things I want. - some that are perfectly feasible, but noone has done them yet. Among the second point, there's for instance "improve the build scripts of GNU ELPA such that it's easier to run them locally", or "improve the build scripts such that some or all of the build can be done manually by the maintainer". Stefan