From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic loading progress Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y4t9m76w.fsf@lifelogs.com> <85k31coixa.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <85oapy5kt6.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83y4oiiw81.fsf@gnu.org> <838ugdf251.fsf@gnu.org> <54D80098.3020209@cs.ucla.edu> <54D85304.1030600@cs.ucla.edu> <54D9AC29.2020603@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423601235 16194 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 20:47:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Aur=E9lien?= Aptel , Stephen Leake , Emacs development discussions To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 21:47:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHi6-0005K6-A9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:47:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41867 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHi5-0005zK-SR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35483) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHcE-0005Tl-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHc8-0005TX-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:55730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHc8-0005T3-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:40:56 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t1AKeiwj000835; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:40:44 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7E16A2890; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:40:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <54D9AC29.2020603@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:58:49 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5213=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5213> : inlines <2097> : streams <1388083> : uri <1851699> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182842 Archived-At: I think what this boils down to, is that we need a "emacs.h" or something like that which modules would include instead of including lisp.h. Stefan >>>>> "Paul" =3D=3D Paul Eggert writes: > Aur=E9lien Aptel wrote: >> Since it's hard to keep up with what core defines, adding a prefix >> prevents the clash. > Ah, OK, that explains things. > Though this raises a related issue: as I understand it currently modules > must never refer to any Qxxx symbols (other than Qnil), since these symbo= ls > may have different values in different Emacs implementations. And this > includes any macros or inline functions the modules may invoke. > For example, a module must never call 'functionp', since 'functionp' is an > inline function that refers to Qt. > This is something that needs to be fixed, surely. And once we have a fix > for it, perhaps the fix will mean that we don't need that "M" prefix.