From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org Mode version to be bundled with Emacs 25? Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87eg6rm3vq.fsf@moondust.awandering> <83poqb0yxr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468864791 4383 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2016 17:59:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:59:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 18 19:59:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bPCpO-0001cn-Dm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:59:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49483 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPCpN-0004hp-JU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:59:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49395) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPCB0-0003cl-3j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:17:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPCAv-0001hz-Mz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:17:53 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46534) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPCAv-0001hX-Fs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:17:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bPCAt-0002UU-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:17:47 +0200 Original-Received: from 69-165-156-121.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.156.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:17:47 +0200 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-165-156-121.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:17:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-165-156-121.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/md8Tv9J4Q0bprCyR0+HQz6DthU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205821 Archived-At: > But there is something missing in Emacs presently that would make this a > much more attractive option to package developers who want the broadest > base of users. There needs to be a simple, single function call to require > a package which would automatically download, build, install and activate > it (a flag could control whether or not this actually happened > automatically or if the user were prompted to confirm, etc). Doesn't package-install do that? Of course, I smell some connection to the fact that Emacs developers (including myself) have been opposed to making Emacs open up network connections (e.g. at startup) without explicit request from the user. > The main issue I see right now is that packages are installed on a per-user > basis rather than a per-Emacs site basis, so you would get a lot more code > instance duplication and version management issues than you would have with > a package integrated into Emacs core. ELPA packages can be installed site-wide just fine. There's no obvious direct support to do that, admittedly, but it's just a small matter of designing the UI (and default layout) and coding it. I had such support in install.el and it's really not hard to add. And at least under Debian you can install various ELPA packages site-wide via Debian's package manager. > With this feature, Emacs core programmers could start referencing external > packages as if they were already installed and Org could potentially move > back out of core. Emacs core does not reference Org, AFAICT. Stefan