From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Delete variables obsolete since Emacs 23 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:46:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200515175844.18941.61355@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200515175845.997EC20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20083fc0-59ca-444b-b18d-69e2f79d8c57@default> <14113880-109b-4315-8970-1100b248bd30@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35811"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 16 15:47:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7J03-0009DQ-Pl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:47:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34612 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7J02-0007sD-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40362) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7IzV-0007S9-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:46:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:33956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7IzT-00081A-1t; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:46:28 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3A4484414DD; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BEC3D440062; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:46:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1597585583; bh=D5sfpS/eicri+TUREKsQmlX89ecItnBGti0lWpy5dt0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=H9XQyHj2c5eG4umpT0261AapYnhAanQYbaO/QZ9W+bHjJBaQB7f8VGNl4Gqorq2CH WcLYFgGRNqPAi4Zm1nQ/+tb1X2N1mc/WLfK8pkEsgxifouaOJXD2gbCBg5lpz/k5+L vPpQ6zMj3YAucigLJTiaHrstojEMrhsk61Q/PPzwxEPqZ7owtVd/6i4Cfr0A3SehPo MJjQiCGBvnkbh83MQY3sJ2UMc8c80y61NtnCQ6wqJmNq2nmfnIRFPSgpuF4kF/8xmE C8bM9ZZOJtyjaqGjd2xq3G1rAxpeNHitxeu0fq4wqpWztf3jAob/ezS3oltTRMMsHp GjxwykpqqejfQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.246.108]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7246C1207A5; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:46:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 15 Aug 2020 22:30:27 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/16 09:46:25 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253844 Archived-At: >> The correct solution is to give the function an optional argument >> and an interactive spec which provides a non-nil value for that argument >> in interactive calls. > I already do that where it makes sense (e.g. to show a message). I think you misunderstand: it makes sense everywhere where it technically *can* be used. There are still circumstances where `called-interactively-p` is necessary (typically in cases where the arglist cannot be extended with a new argument (mostly because it already uses `&rest`), or in advice), but it's rare. > I have no objection to Emacs having declared `interactive-p' obsolete > (well, I kinda do, but not much, and it's not important at all). > > I object to Emacs _removing_ it. I see no reason for that. And no > one has given a reason, so far. You know the reason: because it's obsolete and deprecated. Stefan