From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lengths and other stuff Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <83h7o8ncly.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn2wudab.fsf@db48x.net> <87mty0c3m1.fsf@gnus.org> <83czywnb86.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8ob707.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejcb6nx.fsf@gnus.org> <875z4ob5c9.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6u09nkq.fsf@gnus.org> <875z4o9jdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1nb8yoj.fsf@gnus.org> <83blefkte2.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7o69aa8.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn2uq3ty.fsf@logand.com> <87ft3qq2kz.fsf@logand.com> <8735zqsvc8.fsf_-_@db48x.net> <87zh1y6e3r.fsf@gnus.org> <87y2hirg9l.fsf@db48x.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1152"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , eliz@gnu.org, "Alfred M. Szmidt" , Tomas Hlavaty , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Brooks Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 28 00:23:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ktfOI-0000Dg-Rj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 00:23:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46794 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktfOH-00025P-UO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44946) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktfNh-0001fF-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:58194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktfNf-0002EQ-5R; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:21 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 63C1710023D; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:16 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2FE1E100225; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1609111395; bh=MTI+ipXLkAWvIObvJ5rIkAzd0LGBU+9bJiGTyT/HbDU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=JyxpD2Ei11KsZ8sjIS/d/RMu0DkOtQmnlxE98A5tRjE0NyWnyQluPSMUgFRTtNBev XW4w6aRgar8ij2CBIv7GmxPVJzEkUNGvcLzwgDJZ2fvzSqx4gurFpF28Bdzg+5tqFi MoooPptoe21+Fo7YzJ6obtEwU/OZ1bfoZvbIrqM2JiM9w45ov/1dDnp2aDFHP8nzi1 rkwoQKXRnflqHdF3PsX6tZ0wLAXT402Q1kUIKvd7GRq2WW1JUNmk9aN4Oo+mDcJ1Nk q3Ke/SLyv4GVFMF0+i2In7pUs9KEsawQFX1X7IjYM7AUfm8jzAhC/K4MU/JqhM6jHn 7Vm9lRPvoeWUw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [104.247.243.191]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0602120473; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:23:14 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87y2hirg9l.fsf@db48x.net> (Daniel Brooks's message of "Sun, 27 Dec 2020 15:16:54 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261944 Archived-At: > A quick check does show that they were moved to subr.el from cl-lib.el > just three years ago. Nearly four now. Also that they were called > cl-cadar and so on. Weird. That's because they suck. They feel to me like programming in assembler. You're usually much better off using `nth` or `pcase` or `cl-destructuring-bind`, ... Stefan