From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83wnb1bt96.fsf@gnu.org> <87a67vuwmo.fsf@gnus.org> <41a702f1-60fb-65fb-3862-d198c46cd6e6@gmail.com> <87sflnqaub.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4588"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Gerd =?windows-1252?Q?M=F6llmann?= , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 19:12:40 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQXS9-0000uq-Iu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:12:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52442 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQXS7-0004vD-TD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:12:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44012) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQXPx-0002XX-Va for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:10:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:7070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQXPt-0000tj-6k; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:10:19 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F2382100136; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8E583100084; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:10:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1661274613; bh=wjvOr4e7YTT0Fx3lqpENeLkO9R+GnRbOI0yIIrvjqjo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=O8BF3oaN7h2DyLFkrqxHlL18wZtP8Iig+MCfnZ8lN+T7I8Rom6VuJrOlMRRnoyt9T 8IdJPqjz1m7SM8l/IAejNVazKjL/SU3E27l1oyG/yHe3aZhXx5NkRO8YUEBSw0PUcI AMYKnyY1ZIoH8yowdMFRtUs7vuA6rNwAEI7JoVOZYaSdvBosk2QqDgC3M2zfvwyFfa lPFgio+KFbZ6KW97lAEGjQqHcxUMz2bEJ9qCSzmSrmM9AXBrVLIyaN96XXE1McYMB8 XoajbV5JjJH019PvQnxgR89aBWZaPCEEm6nhWC/LsrQI4kYE3WHpMt86SmAe7eHI02 REMgO1d/mzyBw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BD53120210; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:10:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87sflnqaub.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:43:40 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293912 Archived-At: > Last time I googled this, there were no plans to make autoconf > parallel-capable. IIUC there have been discussions but no plans, no. Quagmire was a proof-of-concept replacement of autoconf with something based on GNU Make, but I don't think it went very far (and I'm no fan of GNU Make's syntax, especially its inability to properly quote some characters). I think the better direction is to add a Make-based step into autoconf, which at first would only contain a single rule running the original big-heap-of-checks then bit-by-bit split the different checks into separate rules so they can be run in parallel. But Someone=E2=84=A2 needs to take this on. Stefan