From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85ablvftqe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203649857 13065 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2008 03:10:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, storm@cua.dk, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 04:11:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSOJi-0002VA-Rf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:11:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSOJD-0000JG-LH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:10:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSCSw-00055z-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSCSv-00053N-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSCSu-000538-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:32:00 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSCSk-0005Fj-7u; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:31:50 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHoZvUfO+J2cdGdsb2JhbACQXQEwnnaBAg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,386,1199682000"; d="scan'208";a="14792076" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 21 Feb 2008 09:31:48 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.157.156]) by smtp.pppoe.ca (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id BQA76948; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:31:48 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 385B78A26; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:31:48 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:19 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:07:01 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89917 Archived-At: > The issue of the mark being active when you don't want it, is > particularly acute for people who push marks for navigation purposes. > Could you explain what you mean by this? As far as I know, the mark > is active now in the same cases where it would be active when > Transient Mark mode is not enabled. For people who use the mark(s) for navigational purposes, pushing the mark is an operation comparable to saving point to a register. So the fact that TMM starts to highlight the text between that mark and point is just a hassle. I.e. those people will often activate the mark just because they wanted to add a position to the mark-ring, not because they cared particularly about activating the mark. Without TMM, activating the mark unnecessarily is harmless, but not with TMM. Stefan