From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An Emacs plug-in for a browser (Firefox?) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:55:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18624.40059.414121.633475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <48C0BB3A.4080201@pajato.com> <87zlmnezy9.fsf@shellarchive.co.uk> <48C0FC53.4020806@gmail.com> <6fa54e4e0809050420i5132ace5red5a011b69ecd1ed@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220817366 19248 80.91.229.12 (7 Sep 2008 19:56:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, smeuuh@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joakim@verona.se, raman@users.sourceforge.net, phil@shellarchive.co.uk To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 07 21:57:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KcQNW-0005oe-0S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:56:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51071 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcQMV-0005Ry-6p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:55:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KcQMR-0005Rt-Ix for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:55:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KcQMP-0005Rd-67 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:55:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33170 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcQMP-0005Ra-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:55:49 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:12459) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KcQMJ-00018o-6h; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:55:43 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAHTOw0hFxIqP/2dsb2JhbACBZbAUgWaBBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,352,1217822400"; d="scan'208";a="26486639" Original-Received: from 69-196-138-143.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.138.143]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2008 15:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2D46EB4062; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:39:38 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103643 Archived-At: >> I proposed years ago that we extend Emacs to the point where it can >> function as a word processor. > It never struck me as an interesting goal: for one, we already have > latex-mode for that (i.e. Emacs is the only tool I use for word > processing, even more so now that I can display the resulting PDF with > doc-view-mode), > It sounds like you are editing text with markup commands and viewing > the formatted results on the side. Of course that works, but most > people prefer a word processor in which one edits the formatted text. Maybe most people do, but I'm not sure if most Emacs users do. > I proposed adding that capability to Emacs so that it would work in > the mode people generally want. But even in the event that most Emacs users do, I don't think that turning Emacs into a WYSIWYG word processor is a good idea. This said, I do not intend to spend anny more time talking about it, unless someone actully starts working on such a project (at which point I'll try and convince him to work on something more likely to be useful). > It looks like you are proposing a new feature which consists of > editing HTML and viewng the formatted results on the side. Is that > correct? No, I'm not suggesting any new feature, other than the fact that using something like XEmbed to let something like Firefox render web pages is a more promising direction than doing the whole rendering in Emacs. Stefan