From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328583788 31688 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2012 03:03:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'egnarts-ms' , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 07 04:03:07 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RubKd-0001Py-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:02:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37890 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RubKc-0006oc-Bx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:02:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56661) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RubKZ-0006oW-JP for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:02:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RubKY-0000TV-DD for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:02:55 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:47403) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RubKY-0000TR-Aq for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:02:54 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAFqTME9MCqD0/2dsb2JhbABDr0aBBoFyAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiA+5IYtYEgICAwYCBAIBBAICDAYKA4QeAQQEJASDLwSIRJsDhFo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,374,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="161569297" Original-Received: from 76-10-160-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.160.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 06 Feb 2012 22:02:53 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A6D3D58BE3; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:02:52 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:53:22 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148292 Archived-At: > 4. And yes, it's non-trivial work to get things right. If you, > Stefan, find the existing code too lightly commented and less than > clear, then it should be evident that others will too. For progress > to be made here there would, IMO, need to be some commitment from > people like you. But maybe I'm wrong and all it will take is some > new, bright volunteer lurking on the list and waiting for an > opportunity to make a difference. ;-) I'd start by declaring symbol-macrolet and defsubst* as deprecated (they both suffer from serious bugs, the corresponding features aren't very important and noone is willing/able to fix them). Of course lexical-let will be marked obsolete soon as well. Fixing the setf-method handling shouldn't be that hard (basically adding macroexpand-1 and making it use it). Stefan