From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <85zjb3q06b.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83k32748p5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417725879 32197 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2014 20:44:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 21:44:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdGH-0000OF-NR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:44:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47658 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdGH-0001Lx-9J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:44:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52414) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdFt-0001Lc-Ho for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:44:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdFm-0002KU-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:44:05 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:18762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdFe-0002In-19; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:43:50 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQEGAQEBAR6QF1gHhEgFhDqGR4NhimWVaIF4hBkhgTSBQwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQEGAQEBAR6QF1gHhEgFhDqGR4NhimWVaIF4hBkhgTSBQwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99580778" Original-Received: from 76-10-164-234.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.164.234]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 04 Dec 2014 15:43:48 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6045A996B; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83k32748p5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:37:58 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178854 Archived-At: > I think this requirement raises the bar impossibly high. You cannot > have a useful set of instructions that leave those out. E.g., this > whole discussion started because of such "nitpicking". Actually no. It started because of missing something important (for us anyway) and which should be in ./CONTRIBUTE. The formatting of references to revisions is a nitpick and should simply not be mentioned anywhere. We've survived quite happily for the last 30 years with "references to revisions" which are not machine-processable, so if we leave people use the format they like, it's not going to be any worse than what we've had so far. > Neither do I see why would we need to restrict ourselves like that. A > document with a clear structure and a list of topics at the beginning > can be longish and still useful. People's attention span is much too limited for that. > OTOH, having instructions scattered over several files makes > discovery harder. Agreed. Stefan