From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic loading progress Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:26:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <55DE75FD.8020308@cs.ucla.edu> <55F5DD8C.70506@dancol.org> <55F62C16.4000105@dancol.org> <55F64F04.9030002@dancol.org> <55F6E43E.9030502@dancol.org> <55F70C4E.8030805@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443488823 32410 80.91.229.3 (29 Sep 2015 01:07:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 01:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Daniel Colascione , Emacs development discussions , Paul Eggert , =?windows-1252?Q?Aur=E9lien?= Aptel , Tom Tromey , Stephen Leake To: Philipp Stephani Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 03:06:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgjNd-00045M-Fc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 03:06:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43442 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgjNc-0003r3-Oa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43756) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zge49-0007Rh-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:26:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zge45-0000bk-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:26:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:49485) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zge45-0000bb-KZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:26:21 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CtCwA731xV/wihxEVcgxCEAsEMCYdLBAICgTw5FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQMBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiDcIzyMBAQEBBgIBH4s6hDpLB4QtBbM/gUUjhBQigngBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0CtCwA731xV/wihxEVcgxCEAsEMCYdLBAICgTw5FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQMBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiDcIzyMBAQEBBgIBH4s6hDpLB4QtBbM/gUUjhBQigngBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="166109828" Original-Received: from 69-196-161-8.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.161.8]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 28 Sep 2015 15:26:21 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E8A6461769; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:26:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Philipp Stephani's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:25:30 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190456 Archived-At: > This is wrong and dangerous. It makes dynamic loading far less useful than > it could be. Essentially modules e.g. written in C++ will have to consist > of a small C shim that makes IPC calls to some out-of-process server. That is again nonsense: what is being requested (i.e. avoid non-local exits) can be performed on top of the API I advocte, just as efficiently as if it were done "natively" inside that API. Stefan