From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Deprecate TLS1.0 support in emacs Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87o9sp7qok.fsf@gmail.com> <87zic9vk98.fsf@mouse> <87fue17mo5.fsf@gmail.com> <87tw2hvhob.fsf@mouse> <8760ex63hi.fsf@gmail.com> <87fue1v5lr.fsf@mouse> <87shi0tqh3.fsf@gmail.com> <87d18fwl66.fsf@gmail.com> <87tw1rihu0.fsf@mouse> <4037dc81-4245-6925-842a-2c84a5ba996d@cs.ucla.edu> <87pocfibky.fsf@mouse> <873798j2ij.fsf@mouse> <87h8xobg9p.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83lgmzyjon.fsf@gnu.org> <87y3qz79wr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83vam3wfm7.fsf@gnu.org> <87zibf5czd.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501881745 14057 195.159.176.226 (4 Aug 2017 21:22:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 21:22:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 04 23:22:22 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddk32-0003I3-1D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 23:22:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddk37-000258-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54273) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddk31-00024j-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:22:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddk2w-000834-Id for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=57009 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddk2w-00082L-CF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:22:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddk2i-0002NA-Rg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 23:22:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:M/TjoIHeaHoiU/QSwmQUGbvJB1A= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217306 Archived-At: >>> IMO, it isn't right to display notifications there from a program that >>> runs in the foreground. Too far from user eyes, too. SM> Agreed. This functionality is for use when Emacs wants to notify the SM> user about something happening elsewhere than where the user is SM> currently focused. > I respectfully disagree. Notifications don't have an implicit user > attention scope. They are posted no matter where the user is focused, > typically in a globally shared area of the screen to make them easy to > notice and consistent in appearance. But exactly because it's posted in a area independent from the current focus, it makes it rather undesirable to use it for something that is currently in focus. Can you give me examples where this notification area is used by other programs for something related to the current user's action? In my experience, in such situations they'll rather use something like a tooltip, a dialog box, or some message shown within the application's own window. Stefan