From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517496767 30104 195.159.176.226 (1 Feb 2018 14:52:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 14:52:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: George Plymale II Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 01 15:52:43 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehGE1-0006sG-TA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 15:52:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41175 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehGG3-0001oJ-0e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:54:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehGAG-0005es-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:48:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehGAD-0005eY-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:48:36 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:37027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehGAC-0005eT-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:48:33 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w11EmVcM027616; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:48:31 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 485AE60529; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:48:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (George Plymale, II's message of "Wed, 31 Jan 2018 17:06:48 -0500") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6213=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6213> : inlines <6356> : streams <1777725> : uri <2584379> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222349 Archived-At: > Also, I am legally under-age to sign any such copyright waivers. Since it's the second time this issue shows up, I finally asked the copyright clerk at the FSF and he says that it works as follows: If the person is under 18 years old their parent needs to also sign the contract. The biggest sticking point is that the assignment is only valid up until that person's 18th birthday. > So I couldn't do it even if I wanted to. Apparently you could, but it's kind of a pain, indeed. > Another reason that this is a fruitless policy. I also find it fruitless/useless/annoying, but for having tried to fight it, I know that it's just as fruitless trying to change Richard's mind about it. And I find it very hard to imagine how signing such paperwork for one's Emacs code could harm one, so I sometimes get stuck this way between Richard who stubbornly wants copyright paperwork and the contributor who stubbornly refuses to sign it. Both positions are only "a matter of principle" and are fruitless. Anyway, happy hacking to you, Stefan