From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fixing package-initialize, adding early init file Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83po9vos4z.fsf@gnu.org> <87shelv2m6.fsf@udel.edu> <83vajgh4xe.fsf@gnu.org> <838tc12h42.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1518305798 5510 195.159.176.226 (10 Feb 2018 23:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 23:36:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 11 00:36:34 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekego-00005W-R4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:36:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48486 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekeiq-0001vD-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:38:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55101) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekeig-0001sg-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:38:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekeib-0004sN-Ro for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:38:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=39907 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekeib-0004rW-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:38:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekefu-0005B3-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:35:18 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:CAh6+jKD3lo7FPbAUfa+E5fbgb4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222654 Archived-At: >> + After a package is installed, it is automatically loaded by Emacs in >> +all subsequent sessions. > Is "automatically loaded" here accurate? Indeed not. > Wouldn't it be better to say "it is available in all subsequent > sessions, in that its functions and variables will be automatically > loaded when needed"? I use the term "activated" to describe this (what activation does depends on the package). Whether we stick to this word or pick another, I think it's important we pick a word for that and define it in the manual. >> -@findex package-initialize > It looks like we are removing the index entry for package-initialize, > although it is a command? [ ...looking up package-initialize... ] OMG, you're right it's interactive. Does it make sense to use it interactively, really? Stefan