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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `aset` on strings, changing the size in bytes
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:03:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy3cboosf.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83efe4trsa.fsf@gnu.org

> What's the justification for such an incompatible change, though?
> This feature _is_ used, e.g. see ruler-mode.el.

Indeed, ruler-mode is the main user I know of this feature.

> I understand that the effect of the change will be that whenever one
> wants to mutate a string by replacing a character, they would need to
> cons a new string, with the likes of
>
>   (setq str (concat (substring str ...) new-char (substring str ...)))
>
> is that right?

There are several alternatives.  The ones I'm familiar with are:
- the `concat` option you mention
- use a unibyte string
- use a vector rather than a string
- use a (temp)buffer rather than a string
For ruler-mode, I've found the temp-buffer to be the better option.

> Which means in practice that 'aset' will need to generally disappear
> from string-processing code, because in practice it is impossible to
> know when the byte length will change without complicated
> calculations, so robust code will need to drop use of 'aset' for
> strings, except in a small set of specialized situations.

In the general case, indeed.  But in my experience, `aset` is used very
rarely on strings and many of those cases are known to only involve
ASCII chars or to work on unibyte strings.

> Or maybe the proposal is to modify 'aset' to do the above under the
> hood?

No, "'aset' do the above under the hood?" is what we have now.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-08 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-07 19:52 `aset` on strings, changing the size in bytes Stefan Monnier
2018-09-07 21:33 ` Johan Bockgård
2018-09-07 23:12   ` Paul Eggert
2018-09-07 23:41     ` John Wiegley
2018-09-08  5:17       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-08  6:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08  2:04     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-08  2:17       ` Paul Eggert
2018-09-08  6:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 18:03       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2018-09-08 18:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 18:36           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-08 20:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 22:09               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-09  5:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-10  0:18                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-09  6:07           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-09  6:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 14:44               ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-09 15:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 16:27                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-10  5:48                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-10  3:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-16 21:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-10  5:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-10  5:48               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-10  3:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-08  6:03 ` Helmut Eller

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