From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org>> <87sh2ih0bp.fsf@fastmail.fm>> <770f48a8-664a-40ae-8e03-19f6aad248b6@default>> <20180910181615.GA4829@ACM>> > <874lev3bq4.fsf@toy.adminart.net>> <20180912131602.GA5582@ACM>> <87d0tihxzw.fsf@toy.adminart.net>> <20180913174640.GB4019@ACM>> <8736udkuit.fsf@toy.adminart.net>> <20180914104833.GA4103@ACM>> > <83k1nojgia.fsf@gnu.org>> <7bed1f76-5bae-44cb-9b22-206b513043be@default>> <83d0tfkj77.fsf@gnu.org>> <1c393214-c186-4760-9a37-e0450c946446@default> <83zhwji4hx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537024115 17009 195.159.176.226 (15 Sep 2018 15:08:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:08:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 15 17:08:31 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1CBS-0004Il-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:08:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55791 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1CDZ-0005PB-5q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:10:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40167) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1CCC-0005M1-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:09:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C6B-00015V-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=33027 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C6B-00010c-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C41-0003oF-NR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:00:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 15 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:vNY2vArEoJwsmkQbBwNAVIkmdGI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229813 Archived-At: > Fine, then we agree. The above issue is not relevant to what I > perceive as the main problem here: how to give us a way to allow > turning on delete-selection-mode without alienating users who have no > use for it and very much dislike its effects, in particular when those > effects are unintended. AFAIK d-s-m has currently only 2 effects: - delete the selection before self-insert-command - same before yank In both cases, if that's not what the user intended, an important question is: why was the region active before those commands? Stefan